When will you stop using the word "Hackers"?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:26 pm

I'm getting fed-up with the term "hacker" since it's used the wrong way.

F.Y.I. Raven, Chatsev, Bob, me and many others are hackers NOT THAT DUMBASS that messed with your website.

Shure i used the word hacker as well in the wrong way but only because no-one understands when i use words like cracker, muxer, disensambler, etc.

Since i'm getting tired of this i've decided to stop using it and realy don't care anymore if you understand me or not.

However if you ask me friendly what it means i will educate you all with the following webpage
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is

Site Admin/Owner Joined: Aug 27, 2002 Posts: 17088

See, that's what I mean about DJ. You never know what his real opinion is on things ROTFL

It's similar to the unreal words irregardless and reoccur. Those are NOT correct/real words although they have now been accepted into today's vernacular. The words are regardless and recur. Regardless of what you think, something can only occur once; after that it recurs.

Hack(er)(ing) has been misused for so long that I doubt it will ever get "fixed".

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:46 pm

Hi ,a very interesting website. I know that the word hacker is often used the wrong way and I know the difference between Skript-Kiddies and Hackers. But I did´t found the word script kiddie on the website above.

Involved Joined: Oct 09, 2004 Posts: 293

LMAO
I must admit, about a yr ago when 1st looking at nuke I came across the term a "hacked mod" (Think it was the attach mod)
Shortly before that I was reading a thread about a site being hacked...
Took me while to figure out that a hacked mod was one that had been modified, and not modified so a security issue came up lol.
I also had a confusion as to "mod" being a module, (noun) as I was used to mod (and moding)being a verb in the DF gaming comunity.
I supose u guys who have been in nuke for a long time may have forgotten those 'heady' newbie days and confusion that goes with it. lol
I do agree about the "hack" "hacker" term, it just doesnt sit right with me, or as a disrepectful term... hence why I use mod (modified)or coder.

registered · Site Admin Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 6437

The Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login! about Hackers, written WAY before most of the world knew how to spell "world wide web"...

registered · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:40 pm

We were talking about this the other day, in the mod forum...

I think it's a matter of linguistics. For instance, it's alright for a diabetic to say, "I prick my finger daily", but it's wrong for a perv to say, "I finger my prick daily", even though the exact same words are being used. It's the morphology of these words that makes the difference.

So it goes with the word 'hacker'. It all depends on how it's used... Cool

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:44 pm

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:46 pm

Heh! What...?

I thought 'we' were illiciting honest opinions... Mr. Green

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:50 pm

Get it? Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login!ing... ROTFL

registered · Useless Joined: Aug 23, 2002 Posts: 213 Location: Chicago

Well I have never seen anyone calling Raven, Bob or others as "hackers" other than DJMaze and the reason is pretty obvious, he seems to be claiming about hacking any PHP-Nuke powered site (no matter how patched, modded or tweaked it is) within 5 minutes.

I know who to look for if I was running a PHP-Nuke powered website that got hacked.

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:55 pm

VinDSL wrote:

Get it? Only registered users can see links on this board! Get registered or login!ing... ROTFL

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:11 am

Finally a chit-chat topic with a meaning Laughing

let's keep it roling, or should we say scrolling

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:46 am

I was just having this discussion in my home last night! Recently, one person, whom I hardly know, has decided I am the worst kind of sinner and she has refused to talk to me ever again. (like I care Smile

) Her reason... she heard me using the word hack, as in "I hack software applications." Judgements without knowledge of a subject are just silly. So, I was thinking of sending her an very friendly email meant to inform and inspire her to get a brain.

The quote below is from http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/halfbaked/howto/hacking_hotpot.htm#Hacking
(btw, Hot Potatoes is an education application I would love to port to Nuke!)

Quote:

Why we call it hacking
As software developers, our job is to know the coding languages we use very well indeed. However, neither of us [hotpotato authors] has any formal training in programming; everything we know was learned through reading, examining other people's code, and trial-and-error. Few working teachers have the time to do formal programming courses, and most would think that any kind of programming is therefore beyond them. In an effort to avoid what they perceive to be a difficult subject, many instructors fall back on WYSIWYG tools such as FrontPage and DreamWeaver to build their Websites, and become so heavily dependent on these tools that they're unable to manipulate any of their Web content unless they can figure out a way to do it using their editor. This dependency can be very counter-productive; it's possible to invest hundreds of hours in learning a complex program such as FrontPage, and still be frustrated by the inability to find a way to do a task that is very simple to someone who understands basic HTML. For these reasons, we have always tried to encourage users of Hot Potatoes to overcome their fear of code, and invest a little time in learning how HTML and CSS work. Even a very limited knowledge of the basics can give you a remarkable amount of power when it comes to customizing both ordinary Web pages and Hot Potatoes exercises.

The HostingWorks dictionary definition of hack (http://hostingworks.com/support/dict.phtml?foldoc=hack) includes these senses:

* A quick job that produces what is needed, but not well.
* An incredibly good, and perhaps very time-consuming, piece of work that produces exactly what is needed.
* To interact with a computer in a playful and exploratory rather than goal-directed way.
Our suggestions incorporate all of these ideas. You can achieve a small goal quickly and simply with a little knowledge; you can achieve the ultimate customization if you really get stuck in and learn the nitty-gritty; and you can just have a lot of fun playing around to see what works. We'll show you how to use a little bit of knowledge of HTML, CSS and JavaScript to get more control over your Hot Potatoes exercises.

IMHO, let's take back the label hacker and claim it as good !!